Royal Selangor Club Hash

There’s an interesting debate going on after I posted:

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“We should support Damansara because RSC Hash was born of Damansara Hash eighteen years ago.”

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First off to remark is Rajinder “Speedy” Agnihotri, our immediate past Grandmaster:

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Next comes a retort from Hardial “Hardy Boy” Singh:

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Hi Raj,

Certainly a matter of concern, I agree.

However, just stating the issue is not good enough. If it is not true that RSC Hash was actually born out of Damansara Hash then it would be necessary for you to also enlighten where was RSC Hash born from.

If you feel that what is stated is inaccurate then you must know the truth, so tell us the truth.

A Hash Chapter is said to be born from a Chapter where the Hasher forming the new Chapter has been running regularly with.

So lets see which Chapter were Phua Boon Lay and Kai Yong were running with on a regular basis before they left to form RSC Hash. These people would be known as the “Founders” and the people who then assisted in seeing through this formation would be known as the midwife or “Mid-wives”

Bill Panton, please help me out in the above paragraph if it is inaccurate.

My 2 sens worth. Thank you.

Hardy

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A telephone conversation with Uncle Soo reveals:

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Uncle Soo is of the opinion that RSC Hash is born from Mother Hash. He recollects the inaugural run and remembers names like Phua Boon Lay, Phillip Foo, John Duncan and says these were all regular Mother Hashers albeit they still hashed with Damansara. He adds that perhaps the best people to check with would be Bill Panton, Phillip Foo and John Duncan.

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Sylvester “Sly” says:

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RSC hash started on a Tuesday and not on a Friday. Why did we start on a Tuesday?  Was Kai Yong ever a member of Mother Hash? Talk to Freddie and Dennis Khoo of Damansara hash. They will give you a different picture.

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Hardy has more to add:

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I suggest you authenticate what Uncle Soo said, with Stewart Rowe ( not mistake Celup or Orang Putih) Raj knows him too. With due respect I doubt the accuracy of what U Soo says. Its just my doubt, he may be right. People like Tango should know, he was an active hasher then.  May I also suggest you have a word with Chong Kai Yong.

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Past Grandmaster Gymbala speaks:

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I was there at the inaugral run which was flagged off from the steps of the Hash Bar in 1992. By the greatest stretch of my imagination, I cant see what Damansara Hash has to do with the formation of RSC HHH. There are about five to six of the originals still hashing with us and it is abundantly clear that RSC HHH was launched by KL HHH(Mother Hash). Phua Boon Lay, our first grandmaster, and Chong Khai Hong, both Mother Hash members who were largely instrumental in the formation of RSC HHH, invited Mother Hash to launch our chapter. This is further confirmed by Bill Panton’s “Hash Genealogy”, where the family tree clearly shows that RSC HHH was born from KL HHH.

I am completely at a loss as to how and why this issue or debate (as you call ), was ever raised. Let us carry on with our core business of hashing and not involve ourselves with irrelevant and time wasting issues.

Gym Bala

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Still more from Hardy:

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Why all the trouble?

The answer is right in front of every RSC Hash member staring at our faces. I thought at least one of the past GMs or On Secs would have suggested to take a look at the Genology board, all the hard work of Bill Panton hanging in RSC Hash’s very own Hash Room. Bill has done his research and his findings are all up there. Check the board and you will know where RSC Hash was born from.

If there is any dispute then it would clearly show that no had had bothered to look at it.  Hope you get the answer from there.

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OnSec Tarzan says:

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Thanks Hardy, I already thought of having a look at our Genealogy chart sometime ago however the whole committee will do this come this Thursday so that there is no doubt and I will report back.

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Speedy says:

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Burns Rajudin says:

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I have always regretted accusations & counter- accusations because it is un hash-like. And to have it come from Speedy & Tarzan, 2 persons I respect & love a lot, it hurts. My 2 sens worth is that Tarzan was hoping to find a conclusion to the debate as to who founded the RSCHHH & to remain distant from the outcome. The way he worded it was like “please help solve” as opposed to ” let’s start a fight.” I am so pleased to read Bala’s response. So, in the spirit of the New Year let’s bury this say & once & for all that Bala’s version is the best because he was there. Sorry if I offend anyone. Sent via BlackBerry from Maxis

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Speedy says:

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This i beg to differ. My response to Hardy and Bals’s response on 25/12 is not in yr claim that every resonse is published. Both these responses are pertinent n wld hv put a fullstop to this so-called debate originating fm the on-sec. So put a stop to this and carry on hashing. Speedy

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OnSec says:

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It is your right to differ. I don’t have these so called responses of yours, send them to me and I will be happy to publish them.

For the record, I did not originate the claim that started this debate. It was made by someone else. I am only facilitating the debate.

I don’t think you have the right to demand that we put a stop to this. If section members want to debate it, so be it.

We’re still hashing right? Will such a discussion stop up hashing? I think not.

OnSec

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Hardy says:

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Raj, I had expected you to respond to my views but was surprised when I did not get any. I understand you did reply. For the benefit of all could you please resend. Regards Hardy.

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OnSec says:

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Okay, as promised, the committee (six present out of seven) inspected Bill Panton’s genealogy chart which conclusively points to the fact that Mother Hash gave birth to Royal Selangor Club Hash. The founding Grandmaster, Phua Boon Lay would be the one who supplied this information to the charters of the genealogy so it is official.

The individual who made the claim otherwise now stands corrected.

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Burns says:

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Tarzan

That’s very hash-like gentlemanliness on your part. Willingness to accept & disseminate the correct position…….. now get on with the business of HASHING.

ps whats the recipe for ALOO TIKKI……

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Jennifer Chia says:

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The how much I know and my opinion:

How it started?

It all began when these few guys that gathered at the hash bar to drink from early hours in the afternoon way back in early 1991. Then one aftenoon, the subject of forming the Hash arised, debating on why theres a hash bar and there’s no hash group in RSC where hashing first started at the chamber of the RSC. The guys were Cheong Kai yong, Stewart Rowe ( Celup), Tango and the late Phuah Boon Lay being the key people and when they initated to start the first run, it was supported by the late very good Charlie Cheah, Suki, Rick, Heng, Karen and myself. Most of these guys except Kai Yong, Suki and Rick were all Mother Hashers and Thursday Harriettes (including Karen and myself) . However, except Suki, myself and late Charlie Cheah, they were also Damansara Hash members.

The runs were initially on Tuesdays ( quite discouraging to have 2 persons to laid a trail with only 7 – 8 people running at one time).  After a couple of months trial, it was decided to shift the runs from Tuesdays to Fridays in order to get support from the club members, being towards weekend, they feel more relax to enjoy!

I do not think RSC Hash was formed from the breakaway from Damansara hash. RSC hash came about as I said earlier, there is a Hash bar but no Hash chapter running and wanted to bring life to the club. After the RSc hash was formed, the section became very active and many activities were carried out that many other sections were envious off!.

The first run in record was set by Tango and Celup The late Phuah was the GM and Kai Yong being the ON Sec.

jennifer Cheers!

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Hardy says:

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Hi Shyam,

Well done, thanks, and that settles the dust……………………shooooo

More Hashers should go thru that genealogy board in the Hash Room which I took lots of trouble to put up, with the lights, glass etc and off course the info/chart came from Bill Panton.

Regards Hardy

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Hardy adds:

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After thinking about it again and having met 2 of the current members of RSC Hash (in the words of Gym Bala “who were there then”) I would like to retract what I said earlier. My doubts have become stronger after reading Jennifer Chia’s views. Perhaps, I should say the situation is somewhat still not very clear.

Now, the dust is not settled. As such with the highest of respects to all I would like to stretch this discourse further.

With due respect to all whom I am going to refer to here, please note that I mean no malice to anyone and it is not meant to ridicule anyone’s view given earlier. It is simply my rebuttal. After all everyone is entitled to their own views.

I would also like to qualify that I am no authority in the issue at hand and do not personally have much knowledge about RSC Hash’s origins. My argument is based solely on the facts presented and what I have gathered over the years.

Over the weekend I met 2 very senior RSC Hashers and spoke to them about the RSC Hash’s origins. They vehemently disagreed that RSC Hash was born out of Mother Hash. Reason, mother is a “Men’s Only” Chapter and no way Mother would have had an offspring in the form of a “Mixed Chapter” Sounds logical to me, albeit Boon Lay was running with mother then. He was running with Damansara as well.

I was also made to understand by these 2 hashers and a few others from Mother who were also present that Mother has never officially sanctioned RSC Hash as born from Mother. Mother has only recognised RSC Hash as a “Club Hash” I stand corrected here.

In so far as how RSC Hash began, I would like draw your attention to what Jennifer has written and thats exactly what these 2 gentlemen stated. If you read carefully nowhere has Jennifer stated that RSC Hash’s origins is from Mother. She has stated the correct position….a mixed group with some from Damansara and a few from Mother. So who is the “Mother”

I refer to Gym Bala;s statement

“There are about five to six of the originals still hashing with us and it is abundantly clear that RSC HHH was launched by KL HHH(Mother Hash). Phua Boon Lay, our first grandmaster, and Chong Khai Hong, both Mother Hash members who were largely instrumental in the formation of RSC HHH, invited Mother Hash to launch our chapter”

The fact that Mother “launched” RSC Hash in my humble opinion does not necessarily mean that RSC Hash was born from Mother.

The statement “six of the originals still hashing with us” does not in anyway authenticate that yes RSC Hash was born from “Mother” It does not proove anything. Boon Lay when requested by the few mention in Jennifer’s views volunteered to become the GM. So I was told by these few seniors. Thus, it was not because anyone was from Mother, Damansara or Harriettes. Most importantly Cheong Khai Yong was never a member of Mother Hash. Having said that, I beg to differ with Gym Bala’s views.

Based on the facts in hand it is in my opinion not sufficiently adequate to say where RSC Hash’s origins are from. In my opinion it seems that RSC Hash was born from the ideas of a few who “at that time” did not want to associate with any Chapter they were running with or were members of. As a result a “Club Hash” was born. Who are these few? They are those mentioned in Jennifer’s views.

Therefore, I would like to suggest that a meeting be held by RSC Hash with all members present where these few be invited and we can listen to what they have got to say.

My 2 sens worth. Over to what others think about it.

Regards, Hardy

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Bill “Tumbling” Panton says:

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Re: Birth of RSCH3 on 6 September 1991.

I have always understood that the Founding Father was Phuah No Manners Boon Lay, assisted by Stewart Celup Rowe, Cheong KY Kai Yong, and Tan Tango Geok Ong as midwives.

Bill Panton.

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OnSec says:

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Yes Bill, we have no issue with the facts you mention. Since you drew up the genealogy chart with the help of others, could you please confirm that No Manners declared Mother Hash to be RSC hash’s mother?

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Bill Panton says:

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Tarzan, confirmation not possible, given the passage of time and my declining powers of memory due to age. But I do recall that No Manners had been hashing regularly with the KLH3 for many years, until he had some differences with a few other members and decided to resign and start the RSCH3.

Perhaps you could check this out with a few other of the older KLH3 members. I suggest you check with Guiness, Bull Ong, John Duncan, or Chris Boyd. I wasn’t around at the time, as in those years I was living in Washington DC, working for the World Bank.  Ooon-on, Bill.

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Hardy says:

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An attempt should be made to have a word with Philip Foo and Tango. If I not wrong Philip was at that time approached to arrange for the beer. Tango was running with KLH3 and Damansara as well (Tango hope I am right on this).

They may be some light at the end of the tunnel.  Though Jennifer and a few others may disagrees but Bill’s input does confirm my doubts that there was some disagreement and breakaway to form RSC Hash.  Regards, Hardy

Email me your say! Especially if you’re a founder member during the formative years of RSC Hash.

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